Staff member. I still occasionally hunt with my two .270 Win… Oct 31, 2013 #8 Ryan Avery Admin. Which one yall think is better? I must admit I thought, "how true". then when the wsm came out i wanted it so bad but never had enough money so last year i bought a brand new rifle and scope and spent about a grand for a 270 wsm and i like this better. SHOP NOW. The 7mm runs from 100gn to 175gn bullets while the 270 only runs from 90gn to 160gn so I guess that gives you 5gns extra range. If you have the kit and the talent to shoot at longer ranges, 400 yards plus, there might be some merit in owning one. As an Urbanite, I can … It is flat . AH fanatic. Savage 11 Trophy Hunter XP,Bolt Action,.270 WSM, 24" Barrel,3-9x40mm Scope, 4+1 Rounds, Left Handed. If you really must shoot game at 500 yards with a .270, dial up another 1.5 minutes and the animal won’t be able to tell the difference. It's so close to 7mm why not just get a 7mm and give yourself more choice on bullets/ammo. Both have moderators and both are very unkind to shoot without. This makes sense since the 270 WSM is specifically designed to fit in a short action rifle instead of a standard length action like the.270 Winchester. The main advantage with the WSM's is that the felt recoil is significantly less than the conventional old world cartridges. We feel confident that if you are in the market for a .270, or if you are just starting your research on the rifles in this chambering, that our content can help you to make the best decision. Browning BAR MK3, Semi-Automatic, .270 WSM, 23" Barrel, 3+1 Rounds. I have never noticed the bolt throw on a rifle during the heat of battle. It'll certainly shoot .270 bullets faster than the standard Winchester version and flatten out trajectories which might make a difference at long range. GS gamestalker, May 6, 2012 #9. The ABOLT WSM has a Lother Walther 24"barrel which we fitted in our workshop and head spaced. 4 out of 5 star rating (1 reviews) Quick View. Likewise, my .270 Weatherby (a rechambered .270 Win) loses a bit of bullet travel because of the freeboring, but can take heavier loads. Performance. Quick View . The 270 with a 110 gr tipped barnes bullet gets about 600-700 more fps than a 6.8 depending. … But you walk into a gun shop and look at what they have on the shelf in the UK; you will have a better choice of 270 bullets. .270 wsm has a little more kick and a few more fps. hillbilly, Feb 7, 2012. hillbilly, Feb 7, 2012. Lately, published loads have been toned down (some might say watered-down) in the past 10 years. My experience with the 270 has been long and fruitful. The 270 WSM is an improvement over the older 270 Winchester providing higher velocity with bullets of the same weight, and thus a flatter trajectory and more energy. SAVE UP TO 30% Heaters for indoors & outside. One last point this assumes you are a reloader, if not stick to a 270 win. However, the .270 Win.’s long case body feeds easily in most rifles while the WSM has a reputation for being more finicky. Looking at action length, the WSM is a shorter action, its a medium action and its noticable when needing a second shot. Nov 20, 2011 #2. jguffie Senior Member. .270 just seems completely pointless as a calibre to me anyway. I take it the mumpers are the bipod brigade that rests the barrel on their shoulder rather than hold it cos the recoil is way under that of a twelve bore by a long way. In Northern America I’ve taken moose,caribou,Dallas sheep, my goat, and the list goes on. WSM and Weatherby - all have 610mm barrels, but the effective barrel length of the .270 WSM is about 1/2 inch longer than in .270 Win. My wsm is a Browning A - Bolt . Beauty in in the eye of the beholder and it seems some like short and fat.......................... we won't mention "ugly". The WSM's are not a bad idea, they work perfectly well if you can be bothered with them. The 270 wsm is an entirely different cartridge. Joined Apr 15, 2012 Messages 764 Location Casper Wy. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Rifle and Optics Forums. The 30-03 and the 270 Winchester have identical case lengths. Yes, when you make 270 Win cases out of 30-06 they still come out short for the 270 Win by about .035 give or take .005. I can’t see a lot of value with swapping from 270 to 270WSM, the WSM ballistic advantage only starts to show with heavier 150/160 gn bullets, and I own a WSSM. The WSM's are not a bad idea, they work perfectly well if you can be bothered with them. Velocities tend to be about 250 ft/s (76 m/s) faster, in a cartridge that is shorter and can therefore be used in Both the .270win and WSM rounds are very effective, one drawback with WSM is that it only holds 3 rounds in the mag, so if you need more, then you will need to re-load. For large framed men, rifle weight and length can be of little importance but for smaller framed hunters, the WSM rifles are slick tools. is a very fine cartridge. The greatest virtue of the .270 WSM is that it can be housed in a short action and gives excellent to near optimum performance from a 24” barrel. Flinched first two shots looking for the recoil that never materialised. Perhaps in a .270 Weatherby (with 1-in-10″ twist), or the new .270 WSM, it would be better. a shorter action resulting in a more compact rifle if desired. What upset me was their casing design, requiring new magazines and new bolts. Be the first to write a review! I just got a new Tikka t3 lite in .270 WIN, and topped it with a Leupold vx 3i 3.5-10x40 with Talley one piece rings. Savage 16 … Reactions: Bob Nelson 35Whelen, ufg8r93, sierraone and 1 other person. A .270 win is easier to find. I enjoy shooting the WSM and have shot many rounds through both, but would prefer the WSM over the .270win. As Brit says in theory only. As many of you … The correct name for the cartridge, as listed by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), is 270 WSM, without a decimal point. I had two 270 WSMs, though, and they shared one thing in common: poor barrel life. In 2002 Winchester introduced new cartridges in its Winchester Short Magnum family, including the 7 mm WSM and 270 WSM. In my opinion (for what that's worth :shrug there isn't much you can do with the wsm. Thread starter #1. georgiaboy2109 Banned. I was looking at .270's on a fairly well known gunshop web-site and they were touting the .270 as the "forgotton" round, Just waiting to be re-discovered by the shooting press. Truly appreciate you watching the videos!Which will shoot through the steel?? Joined … Am thinking about keeping my .270, but am considering adding the 7mm WSM, mostly for longer shots in western mtns for Elk. And should a person want to sell their rifle... well there are a hundred buyers for the Win to every 1 who might consider the WSM. I didn't, wouldn't, but then, why would anyone consider such a move? Nov 20, 2011 #1. jon2 On that note I hunt with the .270 win and I bought my father a .270 wsm so I like both guns but for different reasons. The 270 WSM is an improvement over the older 270 Winchester providing higher velocity with bullets of the same weight, and thus a flatter trajectory and more energy. The .270 win. It may not display this or other websites correctly. that you can't with the win. Rifle weight distribution is yet another factor. Both have been head spaced and are in very good condition. I don't reload, so I would be interested in what you … with 80 grain Barnes is good for 250-300. Would certainly second the missing recoil. Same twist for the 270 WSM and 270 Weatherby Magnum. Our membership (like our country) consists of people from all walks of life; different in far more ways than can be listed here and each with a different view based on their experience of life - regardless of their colour, religion or cultural heritage. 270 Wsm. Why? I have an older Lake Lander .270win and a Browning ABOLT.270WSM, I prefer the WSM its a flatter shooting round and seems a little kinder to shoot. Maybe the additional 12mm of rifling … The .270 WSM is the only cartridge of the WSM family that produces notable ballistic gains over other existing cartridges. Either is good for 450-500 with heavy monometal bullets. If people stopped buying light weight rifles with fiberglass stocks the recoil would probably be tolerable. Averages for 140-grain bullets were 3,034 fps and 3,176 fps respectively for a difference of 142 fps. Besides my trusty .308 bolt rifle, I've hunted a lot with my .270 Win (not WSM) and .257 Roberts. I use fed.fusion 130 in the 270 I bought fron CD. Also, it's easier to find ammo for the .270 win and you'll have a wider selection so why sell yourself short on the ammo for no real added bonus based on your situation. The 270 Winchester Short Magnum or 270 WSM is a short, unbelted, magnum cartridge created by necking down the .300 Winchester Short Magnum and fitting it with a .277 caliber bullet. However, these are very minor differences. All for a few ounces of weight. The 270wsm seems to throw a 140gr bullet at the speed a 270win can chuck a 130gr, which is to say, too fast for most UK stalkers. If your .270 Win isn't close to these specs, or if you are a sniper or just someone who is into long range shots you may want to take this a step further and use our ballistic calculator to create a custom 270 ballistic chart to take into account variances like atmospheric conditions and angles. The .325 WSM is in a league of its own in North America as the 8 mm caliber has not become commonplace. The .300 WSM closely mimics the long-popular .300 Winchester Magnum, while the 7mm WSM matches performance of the 7mm Remington Magnum in similar barrel lengths. If you don’t already own a 270 and are coming at it with a blank piece of paper and have found a 270 WSM rifle that you really like at the right price then I wouldn’t be put off by it being a WSM. [3] It is a member of the Winchester Short Magnum family of cartridges. the .270 wsm may have a little more knockdown power but a regular .270 win will take down deer and elk out to 300 yards easy provided you make a good shot. The only reason I bought the wsm was that it was faster and shoots flatter. Flat shooting, accurate, and with a mild recoil, 270 Winchester Rifle Ammo is a perfect match for big game, deer, and elk. because of its shorter case. Likewise, ammunition for the .270 WSM is less likely to be found on every store shelf, … I think "short" is a dirty word when talking about rifles... And since when has anyone found a real practicel difference between a short and standard action? It’s been putting meat on the table and trophies on the wall for nearly a century, and based on sales figures, I don’t suspect that will change any time soon. You must log in or register to reply here. You can get more range shooting more fragile bullets but it comes at the expense of much poorer performance at short range. Medium Bore Rifles.270 Win and .270 WSM This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. The .270 WSM is the only … The .270 win is an great short to long range medium to large game cartridge that can really … I have not shot any animal … However, the 270 WSM has a very fat case with minimal taper and a much steeper shoulder angle (35 degrees vs 17.5 degrees). … We. Perhaps the additional velocity of the .270 WSM variant appeals to you, but I feel that for bullets up to 150 fps, the good old .270 Win. No real. accuracy is more based on gun/shooter. The 270 can shoot much heavier bullets faster where as the 6.8 spc would just run out of room for powder due to having to seat the bullet deep. gives all the velocity any rifleman would need, within sane hunting ranges. I was in Africa last year and took black wildebeest, vahl rhebok with my 270 wsm. 1dirthawker. No! you wont find them at any small town gas station or anyting. First, the.270 Winchester is significantly longer. http://www.chuckhawks.com/perfect_pair.htm. This extra speed gives the WSM a little more range but i think the .270 win is still better all around. Every single person in the UK has been born of mixed race – we are a multi-coloured and multi-cultural country. I was very excited to see the 6.5 and 6.8 AR-15's come out. JavaScript is disabled. I used 140 grain accubond bullets. Shooting the 270 WSM in the larger format AR seems hot, but I'd be more inclined to shoot the .260 Rem or the .338 Fed instead. Anyone ever moved from .270 to .270 WSM ? and 3,302 fps for the .270 WSM for a difference in favor of the .270 WSM of 144 fps. .270 win ammo is cheaper than .270 wsm. I would think the recoil to be less than an '06, especially if shooting 130gr bullets vs 165 or 180 in the '06 but the fit of the rifle can make a bigger difference depending on how it applies to you. Like was said. The … Equipped with a full metal jacket, 270 Winchester Ammo would also be great for safari hunting. I also have a regular 270 that I dont shoot much. Item currently sold out . Item currently sold out. I have performed searches on this forum and gotten a few ideas, but it never hurts to ask again. If you plan to shoot a lot, the 270 Win throat will last much longer. 24 inch barrel for the 270 WSM and 26 inch for the 270 Weatherby. The 270 wsm is shorter and fatter than the older 270 win and yields higher velocities than the 270 win. When it was introduced, the 300 WSM sported a new case that showed a lot of promise for uses in other calibers. Of that assertion, we are proud. … I built a stock and bedded my friends 270WSM, he changed from 270 win to wsm. I was kidding. .270 win vs .270wsm. Joined Jan 5, 2012 Messages … Buying expensive ammo (for the WSM/WSSM family) means you are stuck with the max velocity they produce. The 30-03 and the 270 Winchester have identical case lengths. Now don’t think I am not a fan of the 7mm because nothing could be further from the truth, I even brought a 7 mm barrel to re-barrel my 270, but changed my mind at the last minute because of ammo availability when shooting abroad. I used a 1:8.5 for the 142 grain bullets in my 6.5X284 and I use a 1:9 for the 180 gr bullets in my 284 Shehane. The WSM is extremely accurate with 130grn Winchester Ammo, however, I am going to experiment with lighter loads. [4], The .270 WSM comes quite close in performance to that of the legendary .270 Weatherby Magnum, with notable differences being that the .270 WSM is chambered in a short action and normally utilizes a 24" barrel whereas the older Weatherby cartridge utilizes a long action and is most commonly paired with a 26" barrel. If you use a quality bullet with proper bullet placement you’ll be just fine. rifles than WSMs on used gun racks. This is part of a general trend of wimping out on the part … my box … This new .270 cartridge was the third commercial .270 ever produced, and the first one in 60 years.[1]. Some people will spend thousands of dollars to get a short action. When you combine that with the 700 and the right bullet choice and decent glass you've got a real effective long range hunting rig. Average maximum velocities for 130-grain bullets were 3,158 fps for the .270 Win. it is hard to find shells unless you are in like a hunting store. Ballistically speaking, of course. Feb 7, 2012 #15 . Thread starter georgiaboy2109; Start date Nov 20, 2011; Nov 20, 2011. Joined: Mar 25, 2011 Messages: 338. I always used to hunt with a .270 win and i loved it. 6.8 spc is a tiny shell compared to a 270 win. The .270 wsm is a newer model, it is cut down and the powder is supposed to burn more uniformly and shoot faster and more accurate. Looking at action length, the WSM is a shorter action, its a medium action and its noticable when needing a second shot. [citation needed], "Nosler's Model 48 Sporter and the .270 WSM", Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, http://www.chuckhawks.com/short_magnums.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.270_Winchester_Short_Magnum&oldid=1006280374, Articles with unsourced statements from October 2019, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 12 February 2021, at 01:30. Velocities tend to be about 250 ft/s (76 m/s) faster, in a cartridge that is shorter and can therefore be used in a shorter action resulting in a more compact rifle if desired. You are using an out of date browser. With an impressive range of chambers, 270 Winchester Ammunition is suitable for varmint hunting. At the end of this article, we think you can easily decide which is the best .270 Winchester rifle for you. Oct 31, 2013 #7 H. HOT ROD Senior Member. The 270wsm seems to throw a 140gr bullet at the speed a 270win can chuck a 130gr, which is to say, too fast for most UK stalkers. 110-115 gr bullets are about right for the 6.8 spc. Was wondering does anyone have much experience with the newer 7mm WSM (short mag) and how you think it compares to my Win mod 70 .270. Averages for 150-grain bullets were 2,926 fps and 3,085 fps respectively for a difference of 159 fps. A .270 WSM or a .270 Win. Rifles and ammo are widely available for both guns, but with an almost 80-year head start you’ll encounter more .270 Win. SHR970 Member. You might be able to get away with a slower twist like a 1:11 which would work all the time for the light bullets if you only shoot … From my experience, the bigger problem that the average shooter has is range estimation. Then move to loaded ammo and the 270 will win hands down.
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