Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and … This is an all-new extruded powder with a burn rate similar to Hodgdon Varget. She has since entered the Open division and has competed all over the country at numerous national level events, including the PRS Finale in 2018. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type … If you are the site owner (or you manage this site), please whitelist your IP or if you think this block is an error please open a support ticket and make sure to include the block details (displayed in the box below), so we can assist you in troubleshooting the issue. She has competed on the TV series, “3 Gun Nation” as well as an upcoming show called “The Big Gun” on Sportsman Channel, airing in Q1 2016. As of 2014, Ryan and Dianna have become full time hunters and competitors, focusing most predominately on 3-Gun. Its going to rain all day so I want to make use of my time. I have numerous .308s including auto loaders, bolt actions, pumps, and the old push button single shot. Keep up-to-date on new products, After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. MatchKing with IMR 4064 and VARGET December 6, 2016 Bill Marr Bullet Selection , Cartridge Selection , Precision Rifles , Reloading 0 In the days before the 175 gr. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and many more. Those powders have given me my best groups in my M1A. Hogdon says 46 grains behind a 168 BTHP bullet. I liked it with 150 grain loads. 308 -Varget Load Testing. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and … Brian now competes in both the PRS and NRL Pro series. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. From their home in Montana, Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha follows Chad, Marsha and their two boys-Walker and Wyatt-across the world in hunting adventures. I could never get good results with Varget in my .308 shooting Nosler 168 gr HPBT's. She has a passion to introduce the shooting sports and showcase gun owners and the 2nd Amendment in a positive light. Have any of ya'll tried this powder and if so how did it perform for you? The “classic” .308 load for 168gr SMKs is IMR 4064 with Federal primers. 30-378 Wby Mag. Growing up, Brian spent very little time indoors, with his passions being split between baseball and spending time in either the river, the desert, or the mountains. All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. I've just started using Varget and am in the process of working up to maximum load. Click to expand... No idea what you're missing, but when I look at 308/175/Varget data on Hodgdon's Reloading Data Center, I see a max of 45gr compressed. Waiting on my reloading program and my mates not got back to me yet with an answer from Quickload. The general rule I like is to use powders faster than Varget that are listed below. In 1999, George opened GA Precision after apprenticing with three gunsmiths. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. # # J. Del Col I used the BLC-2 loads when I had a .300 Savage. Zach, a resident of McCook, Nebraska, started shooting trap and hunting when he was 10. Precision is making and looks forward to the future of creating the best professional custom rifles on the market. I played around with all kinds of different powder charges and nothing worked. Sierra shows 41.4 grains Varget max for the 190. and Mike has been loading 42.5 gr Varget with the 190. Varget meters terribly but is stable. This is driving me crazy. 30-06 Sprg. Heres a 11.25 twist with 175, five shot group -- using varget. They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. Varget, RL-15, H4895 and N-203b are all perfect for a.308 Win with medium to heavy bullets. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. Reloading .308 Sierra 150gr Game Kings with Hodgdon's Varget Powder Phillip has attended all follow-on formal Scout Sniper courses, having graduated with honors and recognized as ‘High Shooter’ from all. A good rule of thumb is Varget is as slow a powder as you want to use and even Varget is questionable. Short version: What powder would give me optimal results with 155 SMKs in a 30" .308 barrel, including around ~3000 fps muzzle velocity, while still yielding acceptable results with 75-80 grainers in a 30" barrel .223? Make an introduction to Jake and you’ll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. Regina Milkovich has been the leading female in precision rifle shooting since she first picked up a rifle in 2009. Sierra .30 Caliber/7.62MM 175 Grain HPBT Tipped MatchKing (TMK) Load Development and Review: 308 Winchester and Varget June 28, 2015 Bill Marr 0 The .30 Caliber/7.62MM (.308) 175 Grain HPBT Sierra MatchKing (SMK) is the gold standard for 308 … ... 23, 26, wiN 760, 780, VV 160, 170, 560, 570 IMR 4451, 4955, 7828 and 7977. For powders, I’ll be using Varget and IMR 4064. Although her family hobby was horse shows and barrel racing, her father introduced her to USPSA in high school. With all of these powders, 3020-3035 fps was an accuracy node without regard to the powder type. The powder itself is an extruded powder that produces high velocities. I bought a bulk pack of 168 gr Sierra Matcking HPBT's so this is the bullet i'll be using for awhile, I'm mostly interested in what kind of powder charges you guys are finding most accurate for this bullet. Hodgdon's revolutionary Extreme Extruded Powders. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and many more. Then pick up to 7 of the top powder choice's , then just load 12 of each powder, using 1 grain increments- example- varget 3@44, 3@45,3@ 46, 3@47. If your 308 will genuinely not shoot with either of these powders then you really need a new rifle. Looking for another powder to run in the howa 308 since varget is no where to be found right now. His last three years of service were spent at the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School as the Primary Marksmanship Instructor. Then a pound of TAC and load a couple hundred. alternate powder for 308 other than varget; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. Through shooting, Zach has met many people in the shooting community. Jaclyn has also taken up Extreme Long Range matches, including King of Two Miles in New Mexico, where she placed 14th out of 80 invited competitors. I haven’t done much work with IMR 4064, however, my interest piqued since it is used in the U.S. military’s “Cartridge, Caliber 7.62mm Special Ball, Long Range, MK 316 MOD 0”. Cartridge/Powder Load for Test 2: 178gr ELD-M, 43.8gr Varget, 2.84” COAL (0.02” off lands), Lapua brass (3 or 4 reloads with neck resize only: 0.002” tension), CCI BR2 primer. I've tried some of the others, VN140, IMR 4320, Varget, BL-c2 and W748, It just produces the best accuracy and near top velocity in every .308 and .300 Savage load I endeavor to work up. 30-06 Sprg Ack Imp. The slow powder (varget) heavy bullet (175) combo is no good in the short barrel. In her off time, Regina writes for many publications in both print and digital mediums, trains other shooters, and mentors several up-and-coming female competitors in the precision rifle discipline. I am getting ready to start working with the 190s in a bolt gun and the Horniday book shows 40.9 gr Varget but Hogdon Powders shows loads with the 190 SMK from 41 gr varget up to 44.0 gr (thats probably too hot). In 2016, Phillip was nominated for Scout Sniper Instructor of the Year for his meticulous instruction that resulted in institutional changes in the training of Marine Scout Snipers in both formal schools and unit level training. Good examples include (from left): Sierra’s 125-gr. Varget is in about the same burn speed and I'd bet it does really work well also. The .308 Win. By that time, you'll know which powder to buy in 8 pound keg. Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks’ Long Range University Lead Instructor. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and many more. The .308 Winchester is not only a historic battlefield caliber, it is an established match caliber and one of the best all-around North American hunting calibers. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. Thread starter kaskin; Start date Mar 22, 2018; Jump to latest Follow Reply Forums. I’m looking for yet another powder t A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. IMR4895 might take a slight edge with lighter bullets. Hello from Georgia, I have loaded many powders through the years for my favorite cartridge which is no doubt the .308 WIN. RamShot Tac and Alliant RL-15 and RL-17 also get high marks from both match shooters and hunters. He is a four-time World Champion, 13-time National Champion, the only Triple Crown winner in Action Shooting Sports and has 600+ (and counting) local and regional shooting competitions. Doubling that will come close to including practice rounds spent at his one-of-a-kind shooting range he built on the edge of the Snake River Canyon. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. 308 is very forgiving, most medium burning powders will work well. Dianna Muller earned a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice/Psychology from University of Central Missouri and retired from the Tulsa Police Department after 22 years of service. Hodgdon Varget Powder. Rifle for Test 2:.308 Win Rifle, Brux M24 Contour barrel, 1:11 twist, 24” (>2600 rounds through it). In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. I have used these powders with 150-155 bullets in my .308W's with complete satisfaction: IMR 8208 (extruded, single base) CFE 223 (ball) IMR, H 4895 (extruded, single base)) IMR 4064 (extruded, single base) RL 15 (extruded, double base) VARGET (extruded, single base) 2000 MR (ball) RS TAC (ball) Start your hunt at your LGS (local gun store). He is also the past Editor of Blackpowder Guns and Hunting Magazine. Rob, I used 42.5 grs Varget in my DPMS lr.308 with 168gr nosler,hornady and sierra bthps and it worked pretty well. With the 308 all you have to do to get tiny, tiny groups is pick a bullet, then seat it out as far as possible without being jammed. Sierra's max load 41.7, is below Hodgdon's starting load of 42.0. Ryan has volunteered for HAVA and Freedom Hunters events getting wounded vets into competition and/or hunting. ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. Rob, I used 42.5 grs Varget in my DPMS lr.308 with 168gr nosler,hornady and sierra bthps and it worked pretty well . In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. On the official Hodgdon/IMR burn rate chart, IMR 4166 is between H4895 and Varget. Long & detailed version: I've been using Varget for my .223 an .308 loads up until this point, but my stash is running low. Even for the 168 SMK, Sierra's is 38.7 to 43.5, while Hodgdon's is 42.0 to 46.0. IMR4895 might take a slight edge with lighter bullets. They are all superb in .308 class calibers with most-all bullet weights and any one could be equally good with your 165gr bullets. No chronograph yet (too lazy to buy one) ! However, this very good IMR 8208 XBR powder is out-of-stock at many vendors. The powder ignites quickly and burns clean, translating into superb accuracy, higher scores and more clean, one-shot kills. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. I've tried some of the others, VN140, IMR 4320, Varget, BL-c2 and W748, It just produces the best accuracy and near top velocity in every .308 and .300 Savage load I endeavor to work up. I couldn’t find any for over a year. One is hard pressed to find a nicer person. The terrain in Southern Idaho often requires a hunter to be able to take shots at 400 yards and well beyond. If your dumping powder from a measure then I would use tac. Most have left Varget as it is too hard to find on a normal year. I've used varget and tac and I like tac better for 223 and varget better for 308. someguy2800, May 9, 2017 Varget is much superior on both counts, and also produces excellent accuracy with 150-188 grain bullets, in my experience with several .308's. 300 WSM. Varget is an extruded propellant in the Hodgdon line of Extreme series of powders. Ryan earned a Bachelor’s of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Master’s of Science in Engineering Technologies. Growing up on a secluded farm in rural southeast Kansas, Ryan spent the greater part of his childhood in the woods, plinking and hunting. In our own .308 Win tests , this generated slightly more velocity than Varget, with good ES/SD. Just In the 2019 season, he will compete in twelve two-day national matches and 15 regional matches across the country, totaling 4,170 precision hand-loaded match rounds burning roughly 131,355 grains (18.75 pounds) of Varget in matches alone. Reactions: nlife. During his time, Phillip completed 4 overseas deployments and served in all billets available to a Scout Sniper, to include Scout Sniper Team Leader, Chief Scout Sniper, and Scout Sniper Instructor. His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. For the 175 SMK, Sierra's max load is 41.7, while Hodgdon's is 45.0. Since opening GA Precision, George has been building some of the finest precision bolt guns and custom rifles. Gotta Love That Varget ! 308 Winchester load development: Sierra 168 gr. 7mm-08 isn’t all that different than 308, and works great with many of the medium burning rifle powders that work great in 308 as well. containers. I've shot a good bit of SW Precision. It's a good powder. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. Todd is also a sought-after firearms instructor for military, law enforcement, and competitive shooters around the world. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. I'm ready to get started. I have multiple cans of both Varget and Accurate 2520, so if you use one of these powders let me know what you've found out. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. Varget features small, extruded grains for uniform metering, is insensitive to hot and cold temperatures and produces higher energy for improved velocities over other powders in its burning-speed class. In addition, she is also an outdoor writer and photographer, as well as a national seminar speaker. Try the Varget first, load a couple hundred rounds. Seems to get the most out of shorter barrels.----- Also checked the … Importantly, it seems to be a good substitute for “unobtanium” Varget powder. Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. Then buy a pound of the 8208 and load a couple hundred. I could never get good results with Varget in my .308 shooting Nosler 168 gr HPBT's. Loading 223 and 308, you'll get a couple hundred rounds (total) from a 1 pound can of powder. 7.62x51mm NATO Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. Rifle. ABOUT WYATT: Wyatt is 14 years old and has also hunted Africa, Hawaii and other states as well. Varget is still a excellent powder along with IMR 4064 in the 308 Win. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. Available in 1 lb. 308 Win. Hodgdon's revolutionary Extreme Extruded Powders. “I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. The .308 Win. Sierra MatchKing (SMK) , the 168 SMK ruled supreme in the 308 Winchester. He is also a noted TV personality, regularly appearing on TV programs Shooting USA. I began using Varget about 5 years ago and have used nothing else since. Brownells has eight (8)lb jugs of Hodgdon Powder Co. Varget Smokeless Gun Powder for just $191.00 with FREE Shipping after a coupon code at check out. Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! It is expected to perform well in the .308 Winchester and in 6mm cartridges running the heavier (95-107gr) projectiles. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. Good luck finding Varget. I checked the burning rate chart and it is right next to Varget. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelor¹s degree in Business Finance at Albertson¹s College of Idaho. I was never able to see much differene in the results of any of them. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/varget_1_lb.jpg. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. Some of our Forum members have reported excellent results with IMR 4166 in cartridges that work with Varget, such as the 6mmBR, 6 Dasher, 6.5×47 Lapua, and.308 Win. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. Varget, N140, RL-15, IMR and AA 4064 are all essentially the same NATO spec 7,62 powder mfg by different nations with slightly different properties due to mfg differences, and a different coating on Varget. I also shot some 150 sierras with 47grs varget and they were ok also. Varget is an excellent powder for cast loads in .308. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. Loading any of these powders with 150 grain bullets gives sound performance. im running a 178 eld-m and was getting a average SD of 7 with varget @ 43.6. They all work fairly well depending on the bullet in the 308. A devoted husband and father, Jake has formal degrees in sports medicine and youth ministry. Projectiles for the .308. For a general purpose powder, I do like Varget though. BL-C2 is a classic powder, and usually produces very accurate loads in the .308, but is dirty-burning and temperature-sensitive. PPP MMM. Zach has several friends that are getting into reloading shotshells because of Zach’s reloads. I later tried IMR-4895 and it did better across a spectrum of powder charges. I've settled on IMR-4895 for my .308 loading, bought 16 lbs of it. the 168s were in FedGmm cases with CCI Br2s and loaded to 2.810 it is also my standard bolt gun load ,not the fastest but I only shot it at 100 yds. I have 1200 168smk 1000 180gn SMK 200 175gn Berger ballistic tip powder 8 lbs of Varget 1lb of benchmark I know I need to fine tune the load to my rifle. You can't go wrong with Varget. 300 H&H Mag. Modern Reloading 2nd Edition , Richard Lee page 145 has a Varget load suitable to use with your bullet. VARGET features small extruded grains for uniform metering, insensitivity to hot/cold temperatures and higher energy for improved velocities over other powders in its burning speed class. In addition to shooting, Zach plays plays baseball, basketball, football, and track & field. In 2015, Ryan and Dianna traveled to over 36 events across the world, including Italy and New Zealand. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. She remains the only female to take home overall wins in national level precision rifle competitions when she won the 2016 NorCal Tactical Bolt Rifle Challenge and 2018 K&M Kahles Precision Rifle Competition. Hello can anyone help me out. You can find Ryan on ‘Shooting Gallery’ on The Outdoor Channel, and ‘Realtree.com’. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. Another good substitute for Varget powder in a .223 Rem or .308 Winchester is IMR 8208 XBR. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. As the table shows, Varget and H4895 fall only incrementally short of CFE223. Soon, Zach was shooting skeet and fell in love with the sport. Moreover, the actual bulk density we found, when testing 3 different lots, was 0.890 grams/cc, 0.892 grams/cc, and 0.897 grams/cc. There is but one reloading powder for the 308 and that is Ar2208 or Varget in your language. In just five years, he has earned an impressive shooting resume with consistent top finishes at national level events. VARGET® - The first of Hodgdon's revolutionary Extreme Extruded Powders, VARGET features small extruded grains for uniform metering, insensitivity to hot/cold temperatures and higher energy for improved velocities over other powders in its burning speed class. Varget powder, also from Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE 223 is another popular choice, and it’s designed to reduce copper fouling, which is great for the health of your barrel. 300 Rem Ultra Mag. On the official Hodgdon/IMR burn rate chart, IMR 4166 is between H4895 and Varget. the 168s were beginning to tighten up … Choosing the Right Powder and Load Testing For the 160-175 grain boattails used by the majority of .308 shooters, you want a powder of medium burn rate that gives close to 100% load density. Looking for a starting load for 308 win, 24" barrel, 150gr SST's #30302, with Varget powder. Gotta Love That Varget ! When Wyatt’s not hunting or fishing he loves competing in rodeos and roping off of his horse, General. Her assignments included Patrol, Street Crimes, Narcotics, and Gangs. # Varget allegedly works well work in .308 Win, so would it work in the # .300 Savage, loaded down somewhat from .308 loads? Dianna’s also won the 2015 NRA World Shooting Championship Ladies title. I later tried IMR-4895 and it did better across a spectrum of powder charges. Its going to rain all day so I want to make use of my time. She has been named as a co-host on “Shooting Gallery” on the Outdoor Channel. 30 Nosler. Powder loads for IMR 4166 and IMR 4064 were 43.2gr. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. In fact, Jake has compiled more wins than any other Shooter in the United States at national level Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League events during that span. This is where I am confused. the best load is the one that shoots best in your rifle. works well with a variety of bullet weights. Thanks John 04-29-2008, 06:05 PM #2. 300 Sav. Walker loves waterfowl hunting with his black lab Pow. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 375 H&H and many more. bought some varget powder today also bought some new hornady .308 brass and some hornady 168grn match bthp. 308 Norma Mag. I've observed that behavior in .223 with heavies, 6GT, 6.5CM, and .308s (running the 20x). A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Varget, RL-15, H4895 and N-203b are all perfect for a .308 Win with medium to heavy bullets. BL-C(2) and CFE223 are equally suited to the .308WIN as any of the above powders. BL-C (2) and CFE223 are equally suited to the.308WIN as any of the above powders. That = 12 per powder type. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pat’s. 4895 will work but harder to meter. Sponsored by many of the hunting industries leading manufacturers, he has conducted over a thousand hunting and fishing seminars across the United States and has hunted and fished extensively around the world. She’s also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. Reply. Dianna has been highlighted by the NRA in “American Warrior”, the Washington Post and NRA Women. 308 Mar Exp. It's a dense powder, so makes good use of the case capacity in both of these rounds. I had really great luck getting decent accuracy and speed with Varget, but you should really start with H4350 in this rifle if they’re both available. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! After starting a life and career in Tulsa, she pursued barrel racing until she found 3-Gun in 2009. AR Comp powder should do well in the 308 Win. After taking up competitive shooting in 2016, she, won the Precision Rifle Series Production division in 2017 with her Savage Stealth. forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/varget-308-load-question.4006849/, Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/83.0.4103.116 Safari/537.36. I shoot highpower competition and have gone to reloader 15 almost exclusively for 223 and Varget for 308. and 8 lb. It'll usually show pressure slightly before you hit Varget speeds; SDs/ES are routinely better than Varget. Hello can anyone help me out. No part of the landscape, from pop cans to squirrels, was immune to a 10 round burst from a Ruger. I played around with all kinds of different powder charges and nothing worked. Varget is an excellent powder for cast loads in .308. I have numerous .308s including auto loaders, bolt actions, pumps, and the old push button single shot. Todd is a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. Sierra or Hodgdon for 308 Win Varget loads? Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. also shoots 165 grain bullets very well and 180 grain bullets adequately.
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